For sure Inc, your post is entirely accurate there.

My point was that I spent a while analysing the hand, putting up a pretty lengthy reply with some high level thinking (including some of the stuff that, I imagine, went through Saab's head).

In return I got a one-line reply that seemed a little stubborn to me from a mod - someone new members look to for advice.

I'm not having a go at Aegis in particular - just the general mindset of people who visit the strategy forum on 888. They need to be encouraged to read posts like these, not put off.

I don't need any further backing to know I'm right with that analysis. Aegis is also right with his preferred fold pre-flop, that IS the correct play. But to say Saab should have folded after getting re-raised all-in is just criminally wrong and is showing a large disregard for pot odds - the understanding of which is one of the first key tools you should gain in becoming a good poker player.

A new member opens this thread; reads the replies; looks at my first lengthy one; decides not to read it because it's a little long; but does look at subsequent posts for comments about it to see if it's worth reading.

The first reply he sees is from a mod: "Well we all have our own opinions".

The new member then thinks that I've typed a load of garble that isn't worth his time and misses out on some key thinking points.

I'm not trying to force my view of the game on anyone, this example is more of a general thinking process. If you got Michael Keiner to analyse this hand in his next newsletter article (he was at the table after all), he would agree with me.

Now when I say this:

Topics like this one are why the think tank threads on this forum never progress beyond level one thinking. People run their KK into AA pre-flop and then post to ask whether they should have folded.

It's just an observation which is further backed up by Aegis' post. Someone posts a reply which isn't on the first or second level of thinking and everyone else gets brain-freeze.

You've posted some terrific articles on here in the past Inc - and they sink to the bottom of the page with 70 views and no replies. Why? Because they appear too complex to people.

If an article isn't telling them precisely what to do with their AA or Q7s, they don't want to open their mind to it. There IS a tonne of material on here which could be put to good use by 888 forum members, but they become ignorant to it when it spans more than two paragraphs. Thankfully Aaron's topics seem to be immune to this, and that's a good thing because he has some excellent material that should definitely be read by any newcomers.

But new members need to be encouraged to read stuff like Aaron's and the analysis available here, not put off. It isn't a lot of time to give up to add an extra tool to your game.

PS - QFT

  'Poker - takes five minutes to learn and a lifetime to master' - Doyle Brunson.

Very interesting read, L67C - thanks for sharing your thoughts.  You know me, I like to speak my mind and also to play devil's advocate, so it isn't too often that I am agreeing with anyone, lest alone you!

In particular, this interests me:

You've posted some terrific articles on here in the past Inc - and they sink to the bottom of the page with 70 views and no replies. Why? Because they appear too complex to people.

If an article isn't telling them precisely what to do with their AA or Q7s, they don't want to open their mind to it. There IS a tonne of material on here which could be put to good use by 888 forum members, but they become ignorant to it when it spans more than two paragraphs

As we all know, Aaronlt has the ability to turn even the most complex of strategies into easily-digestible chunks, so he is indeed immune to this, but some of us, witter on too much.

Mmmm, plenty of food for thought~!

Cheers!

Great quote very true too

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Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo

ps, L67C - You can be my wingman anytime, Hope to see/meet you at wsop or in a major tourney sometime, Come up and intro yourself, and we will get drunk and chase girls together

Haha, cheers David. Good solid post too. I'm at the Aussie Millions soon...I'll say hello if I see you there.