Intresting how they have cancelled the 100k in fav of this new schedule when ther are promotions still running on the 100k e.g the COLOURFUL RADIO PROMO for 3 tickets for the winner to the 100k.

May promo play 4 100ks get 5th free if I remember right, but no 100k anymore.

How are the people who have played the 4 games to be compensated, because if it was me who had played the 4 games to get a free one I would be b***** livid

Sorry Aegis and Incubus1 Ithink your promotions team have got it all cocked up yet again.

Then again we must wait and see what the rest of the revamp is to give an overall picture.

Today is the dawning of a new era, so may the light of the day shine upon you with all the luck you deserve.

So I take it this starts tomorrow? I'm trying to qualify for the $20k at the moment and hope it still exists!

I'm a bit disappointed that it's a further dumbing down (lower chipstacks and shorter blinds) of the site.

I'm looking for value and not seeing a lot.

Firstly I think we should hold fire regarding the sats, why would they not want as many playing as possible? I know you say you contacted support and was told there were no sats tots, but support has no idea what promotions are up to, just try to get a question answered about any promotion and you will see I am right

Secondly I agree with aaron, it's a cost cutting exercise dressed up as a fantastic new concept, well we know the truth when we see it, however sometimes you have to take a step backwards to improve and go forwards, if this leads to improvement of other games offered and an increase in traffic I'm all for it, but the major problem has never been the evening schedule from my point of view, being self employed and semi retired I have a lot of time to play poker during the day, but this site offers me nothing, increased buy ins and reduced guarantees are the problem, popular sng's dissapearing to be replaced by all in games are the problem, this leads to reduced traffic at cash tables so that's obviously a problem

I am now going to have a good look at the new set up and see what my first impressions are, but they might change after I see the sat's for the games (if they exist)

Also the link to the new rewards scheme takes you to a page that gives no information, it's so good we have to keep it under wraps untill induction, how ridiculous is that? get it advertised now, get people interested, get people signing up, why wait and hope there is interest, generate interest now, how many chances do you believe you have? even a cat only has nine lives, i'm sorry but for a company of this size to just trust to luck seems bloody ridiculous

Somebody once posted on here that the problem could be that 888 is a casino that offeres poker, you seem to be trying to prove them right

This is unsustainable guys. I would probably play Saturday through Tuesday if you had my regular custom, but it simply isn't sustainable.

I'll break down what you've done here:

You tried to re-invent the wheel by moving your flagship tournament from the day everyone is familiar with to a day when most players will be out having fun.

You have to understand your player base in this instance. For Europeans, Saturday is generally football day. Saturday night is for relaxing, maybe going out for a few drinks. It's not a recognised poker day - Sunday is.

I know you will not publish your figures re: the field sizes/takings differences between Sat/Sun 100k tournaments, but I am certain Sunday's will be better.

Rather than simply accepting you were wrong to change this in the first place, you have cut off your nose to spite your face and done something even more ridiculous.

Not only are you now the only online poker site with no Sunday Major; but you're also the only online poker site with NO majors at all. A $50k GTD as your flagship tournament is SHOCKING.

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Now as to why the schedule is unsustainable:

You had a base of players used to playing the $100k on a Sunday - you messed up their schedule.

Some of them stayed to play it on a Saturday, and in time more would have grown used to this, but you messed up their schedule too within 5-6 weeks.

Now this is probably news to you because you're so out of touch with your own memberbase, but most players on 888 are recreational.

This means that they do not play every night of the week. Most of them by now are used to logging on and playing a $20k GTD tournament when they feel like it. They can no longer do this.

Now, if they feel like playing on 888 on a Tuesday night, they can't because they can't afford the buy-in. If they want to play on a Thursday, they won't because they're not going to fire $15 rebuys at a field of morons for 90 minutes because they simply can't afford it.

So you've gotten rid of some of your recreational players now when you were already struggling with field sizes.

You'll also lose a load of your higher stakes players, because they're not going to go out of their way on a Tuesday night to play a $10k GTD, nor is the prospect of a $50k on a Saturday going to excite them (you can get those on other sites EVERY single day).

If you're willing to place $50 $25k's in this schedule then you'd be much more successful just having a $25k every night, a $75k on a Sunday at half 7 or 8, and if you still want to appeal to higher stakes players, then start the "High Rollers" game as a pre-lude to the Sunday major, maybe starting it at 6 or half 6.

I can't believe you employ people to come up with this stuff.

My thoughts/summary on each tournament individually:

Monday $50/$25k GTD
Excellent, more of this please (with antes and H4H).

Tuesday $100/$10k GTD
Awful decision. Giving this it's own day isolates most of your member base and a $10k GTD isn't going to attract too many "high rollers".

Wednesday $25/$10k GTD Turbo
Don't give this it's own day, run it an hour before the $25k. That way everyone who busts out of it will see another tournament starting shortly and end up playing both. No way should a turbo have it's own day.

Thursday $12/$10k GTD Rebuy
Worst of the seven. I STRONGLY advise forum players not to play this one. Having 90 minutes of rebuys is bad enough, only guaranteeing $10k in return is criminal.

Friday $30/$15k GTD
A VERY reasonable tournament. Again, I see no reason why you can't have a $25k GTD every night and have a tournament like this start 1 hour before it.

Saturday $75/$50k GTD
Like the Friday game, this is just a nice size. I actually don't have too big a problem with the starting stack given it's only a $50k. However, this CANNOT be your flagship. You're embarassing the company by talking this one up. If you made this like a $40k and had an $88k on a Sunday with 10k starting stack, then we'd be getting somewhere.

Sunday $50/$25k GTD 6-max
Same as Monday. I actually like 6-max so will probably make time for this one, but I don't see why it's being marketed for it's table sizes. This one feels to me like you just ran out of ideas but just made it 6-max so that you didn't duplicate any of the other 6.

i agree about wat u say about the sats they should want more in the final games but just look how easy the sats were for the old 80k which i went for every week. and the sats for the 100k they were so bad i never tried once for the 100k when it moved to saturday but did try when they had the 11 -55 -seat and 6 -28 - seat. had the 2 950 to 28 been over the week instead of in the one day i would of tried.

howeve when they are all 1-20s and 1-28s or 1-10  at 14 dollars when ur having a cash crises its not worth wasting money to try. i would of gladly gone for it with the 11- 55 seat and 6 28 seat which i did do when it was running on sundays but they got rid of them when they ran the 100k on a saturday why i dnt no.

the same with the 20k once they took the heads up 6 to 11 to seat went which i did and a lot of others did the main sats 630 uk time always got well over 130 in it every nite and most nites the 20k got well over 325 in it. once they took the sit and goes away the sats had less in and so did the main game.

over the last 3-4 years i was very happy until feb this year the only thing that got me a little upset was when the buy in to the 20k went from 25 to 55 i could buy in most nites at 25 if i did not win a seat. i could just about buy in when they had it at 35 2 nites a week not every time but most of the time but once it wnt to 55 it was beyond me. i have supported 888 for years and have in the past look at other sites but stayed loyal to them.

i no my money situation for playing was down to me being stupid losing it at roulette but in the past i did it many times last year but with 30 dollar or a little more could always get it back at poker.

now ok i am lucky like a lot of us who live in the uk or gmt time zone, but for those down under and in south america and canada there is nothing in there zone now. before there were some good games at 2am uk time 3am uk time and 430am uk time there was a 1k grd for 10 bucks another one which i think was 400 grd for 10 bucks and another game around 630am for 1k and 10 buy in they all went.

in the day time there were great games the barn burner very popular always got over 100 in it 1k grd 10 buy in there were 2 good 1ks or 2ks in the morning between 9am and 1030 am uk time they went if i remember ritely they were 10 and 15 buy in. there was a daily 500 for 5 bucks around 230pm uk time in the morning there was a 2buyin 500 grd and a 5 buy for 500 grd they went.

why they made so many changes at the start of feb i don't no they could of done a few but they took around 25 games away good ones. the sit and goes all changed loads went the 5 seater at all levels and a few more.

i am all for anychange which is good for all of us and the site the more people playing the better. but in a time when there is a global recession they put prices up and lose people and make it hard for the average player like my self.

i have played in games on here i never dreamed of and many like the 80k a lot however i only got the chance to play in 3 100ks since it started i would of liked to have played it alot more. but with no decent sats had no chance so did not bother.

i am totally gutted that the 20k is going last year i missed it about 20 times this year i have only done it about 10 maybe 15 times and since feb about 5 times.

i cannot see why they changed so much in feb why did they not change a little at a time. see how it went.

i play games now i don't no anyone before i new everyone. in the sats u new 80percent of the players. i no a lot have changed names. but i personally think some open accounts every other week for the freeroll for 100k and depositers. i mean last year most of the time the first depositers got around 130 in it most days max 150 now it always gets nearly 200 in it every nite and they am sure are people who have been on the site for ages just opened an account on 888 then littlewoods then lucky ace then rileys and so on and keep doing it changes there email and using a relatives address or even a bogus address and if they win transfer to there normal account.

if i am wrong with all these changes again and they turn out to be good i will say i was wrong but i have looked at it over and over and to be honest the only game i would buy into is the 10kgrd 25 buy in if it was not a turbo if it had 10 or 15 mins then i would pay and play but am not going to buy into it while its a turbo i don't like them. at a push i could maybe once a month buyinto the 15k on the friday at 30 dollars but only once amonth. the 10k 12 dollar would be ok if say it was just 1 rebuy and 1 addon but unlimited u get people going all in coz they can afford to rebuy where as alot of us cant keep rebuying. if these games are going to be the main nitely game why do they have a turbo and a highrollers. i mean how many can afford to pay 100 dollars for 10k grd not many am sure. i no i will never play in that even if i had 5k in my account. i really never could see what was wrong before the last revamp over all over 24hours there was a good all round choice for everyone. ok they could make a few changes but why a compleat overhaul was it really needed. i don't think so i was happy playing 12 -18 hours aday and did very well most of the time. since that overhaul i have gone down to 12 -18 a week.

i think its a big mistake getting rid of the 20k every nite. even though i can't do it like i use to.

i personally thought they need to look at the site from 11pm at nite to 6pm the next nite those hours were very poor to what they were.

the fact the flagship has gone is a real shame. even though i could not play it or go for it they could of tried more and better sats. i spent ages looking into routes and send them to promotions. but no changes were made.

i hope and i prey that things get sorted i don't like to change my site for another,i have many friends and enermies on here.

i will find it hard to leave but if am forced out compleatly then i am. i have tried my best to stay loyal and have to admit for the last 5months found it very very hard this i personally think is the final nail for me. i hope am wrong. i have to see.

anyway enough for now i have written a noval again byes for now tots

     TOT10HAM

your a star L67c an absolute star. you can start work for 888 asap. i think your make a great promotions manager.

you have done a great job with this post totally agree 100 percent you  have told them perfectly.

all u have to do now is get that job as promotions manager.

great stuff mate. i wish i could of put it like that myself.

just hope u made a copy of that post and sent it with the backing of 95 percent of the players who play daily or weekly or once in a blue moon they will all back you.

byes for now tots.

     TOT10HAM

fair assessments.

I've been saying for years that 888 should be trying to run multiple tournaments in a single afternoon - a la L67C's suggestions RE: the Turbo.

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Great post L67, very constructive.

I have sent this along with all other feedback to the Director of Poker for his attention.

Trust me, all your feedback is taken seriously and every one is passed onto the right people.

Don't be dismayed at good-byes. A farewell is necessary before you can meet again.

And meeting again, after moments or a lifetime, is certain for those who are friends.

At this point it would be easy to just copy L6's post as it sums it up perfecly, but I'll give my opinion as a mid stakes player who will be looking to satellite in instead of buying straight in

But first this

When it was announced that the 100k was to be replaced by a dailly challenge series, I had visions of a dailly 10k gtd where the top 5-10 got a seat to a shiny new sunday major as well as a cash prize, I saw this running allongside the 20k (maybe an hour later) and really generating an interest in pacific, I'll bet they didn't even think of that

Instead we are challenged to want to bother playing all 7 games